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Keith and Chemda of the Keith and the Girl podcast recently received a copy of the Podshow contract via an anonymous listener before they entered into a non-disclosure agreement with the folks at Podshow. Upon reading the contract they were so shocked with what they found they had to share it.
In this episode they read through the contract on the air, and I have to say the shit that is in this agreement is just shocking. I know that it is modeled after the way record labels work, which must be to make the evil in it seem like it is legitimate and acceptable, which is a ridiculous notion. I mean, if I anally rape you the same way as a corporation that specializes in rape does it, it’s still me anally raping you.
If you can get past the religious comments at the very beginning, you should really listen to this episode if you are a podcaster. Admittedly, KATG interpret a few things incorrectly, but it is still pretty heinous.
Some highlights of the contract (although certainly not all inclusive):
- You have to move all of your stuff over to Podshow’s server and Podshow gains the exclusive distribution rights for ALL of your content (including logos) for the duration of the contract. This distribution is for all forms of publication/distribution both existing and yet to be invented.
- Okay, so you risk sacrificing your personal brand for this, as you become a subsidiary of Podshow. The Internet is not like the music industry, website addresses and corporate identity mean a lot more. When your feed address changes, all your listeners/readers/viewers are affected.
- Podcasting is not like traditional media, you don’t need some corporation to distribute your material. That’s the point.
- Also, as Keith points out, at the rate the world of podcasting develops, who knows what kind of distribution rights you are giving up.
- You have to acknowledge that Podshow is making a significant investment in your show.
- I smell bullshit.
- You retain creative control over your content, BUT Podshow reserves the right to refuse distribution of a particular piece of content if for whatever reason they deem it is a problem.
- And since they are your exclusive distributor, that show essentially ceases to exist as you are not allowed to distribute it any other way.
- Oh, and you can’t change the direction of your show. The premise of your show needs to stay the same as that is what Podshow is buying into.
- Podshow’s monetary reimbursement for these sacrifices (and all the others I’m not listing) are mostly speculative. You might make money on advertisement (that you don’t choose) or downloads. There is no clear promise of what that will be.
- Also, any current agreements you have or are pending with advertisers must be turned over to to them. Any money you are receiving from old advertising agreements must be turned over to Podshow. KATG describe it well as: “Give to daddy. He’ll know what to do with it.”
- After your year agreement, Podshow can renew for up to two more years automatically.
- You don’t have a choice if they decide to renew, and their rights to your work continue.
- After the first year, Podshow can cancel your agreement for any reason whatsoever by just sending you an email. Sorry, but you’re done. Go elsewhere with no notice.
I’m sorry, but this is bullshit regardless of how common it is in traditional media. Podcasting is something new and the “additional promotion and distribution” you gain through Podshow is speculative and suspect at best. Other services are arising to connect podcasters with advertisers if you really need to monetize your show, (for example Podtrac) and podcasters would be well advised to go without the draconian restrictions imparted by Podshow. Promote your podcast independently, don’t let some other company take over your advertising and take your profits.
The beauty of New Media is that anyone can start creating and distributing material themselves over the Internet. It’s a wellspring of hope for independent artists who want to get their work out there, retain control of their work and make a living. Podshow, in its attempt to centralize, monetize (at least in focus) and simplify podcasting is in reality just the traditional “fuck the artists” media model mascareding that it is the friendly face of the New Media movement. It’s counter to the whole spirit of podcasting, and will eventually just result in more corporate podcasts as ad revenue begins to take precedence over content, which I feel will be inevitable.
I know these sentiments might draw fire from the Podfather’s sycophants, but I don’t care.
Fuck you, Podshow. We’re better off without you.
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UPDATE: I just found this little bit of news from February about why the Tartan podcast left Podshow. Read it here.
Also check out commentary from Eric Rice here.



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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 @ 06:18 CST
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Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 @ 17:34 CST
Before you say “fuck you pod show,” please consider a few things. First, I have a copy of my contract. I read it as Keith read the contract. Keith got several points wrong.
I’ll take the time to go through your points individually in the future, but I want to clarify a pretty big misconception.
PodShow DOES NOT own your show. PodShow has licensed it for the term of 1 year, as is clearly articulated within the document. Keith and the Girl, while their intentions were perhaps good, completely mis-represented the contract terms. One key phrase that I was looking for when reviewing the contract was ‘perpetuity.’ Everything refers to the ‘period of the agreement.’
Also, you DO NOT give up your own site or works on that site. What the contract stipulates is that you will host your files on podshow, utilize the PDN and PodShow + network. Without revealing too much, think of it was a social networking site for podcasters. It’s similar (but not the same as) being required to maintain your MySpace account. Nothing more. I refer you to Accident Hash, Dawn and Drew, the Rock and Roll Geek Show, et al as examples.
As I said, I’ll come back to each of these points when I have more time. I simply want to remind you that a.) Keith and the Girl have a bias, b.) KATG selectively chose sections of the contract, c.) My lawyer is, in fact, a lawyer. My lawyer went to law school. My lawyer knows how to read contracts. KATG are not lawyers.
I have met almost everyone at PodShow. Perhaps I am not the best judge of character, but they were all quite sincere and upfront with their intentions. As the site has not officially launched I can understand how curiosity may lead some to speculation. I think a lot of anxiety will be eased in a month or so.
I have no problem with Keith and the Girl reading the contract. The manner in which they chose to read it, however, was fairly inappropriate and demonstrated their bias. It’s fine to have a particular inclination, but as every academic knows, a biased source is not a credible source. Before we as a community start jumping PodShow’s shit, let’s get the facts. Otherwise we will have proved traditional media’s understanding of the blog world as reactionary idiots as correct.
By way of example: KATG claim that the contract was sent to them annomyously. This may in fact be true, but they neglected to note that every contract has the name of the person for whom it is intended typed at the top, as well as next to the line on which you sign. My name is on my contract in a number of places. While it’s fine that they may have wanted to protect the anonymity of the sender, they stated - several times - that they had no idea who the contract was intended for. While this may seem trivial, it also represents a deception of their audience. While they have the right to say what they want on their show, they could have easily stated that the name is on the contract, but they do no wish to reveal it.
Symbolically, I’m not comfortable with how they handled this; especially when they are coming from a position of moral authority. Perhaps KATG mean well, but this played much more like a publicity stunt than actual concern for podcasters.
One final note: Dude, we’ve known each other for a long time. I would NEVER sign something that did what KATG claim. I’ve worked for two major labels and dealt with dozens of different record contracts. I wouldn’t ever sign a contract that looks like a record label contract.
Maybe time will prove me wrong. I suspect that time will simply make Keith and the Girl look fairly silly.
Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 @ 18:01 CST
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Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 @ 18:52 CST
I appreciate your comments, DHP, especially as you take some time to point out KATG’s misconceptions regarding ownership which I alluded to in my post but didn’t really explain at all. Obviously you have at a disadvantage when it comes to the site issue as I don’t personally have a contract. However, I do note that all of those shows you referred me to redirect me to
[showname].podshow.com. It’s fully possible that they just chose to give up their old sites and use domain-name redirection instead, but it certainly looks funny.Most of this does not apply to you, man. You’ve got a clear business model and I know you’ll have evaluated/negotiated your contract well.
As to getting the other side of the story (the “facts”), that’s kind of hard to do. Curry had a great opportunity to respond to KATG and he chose to do it with a dumb sketch (one of the first times I’ve listened to the DSC in a while as I find it a grating experience), and didn’t actually answer any questions. I know you describe it as a “social networking site for podcasters,” and you’ve seen the what their plans are and I have not, so I don’t doubt your conclusions.
I really don’t want this to come down to some personal thing where I talk about Podshow in general and you take it as an attack on YOUR particular relationship with Podshow.
Personally, I feel that while Podshow’s stated goals are noble, their model is an old school one with a little Web 2.0 window dressing, and unless you have specific needs that Podshow can assist with (such as yourself), then a podcaster is better off without Podshow, and would be better using a combination of independent networks cooperatively as Jack from the Kick Ass Podcast suggests in this thread at Podcast Alley. (He makes several good posts, but if you can stand reading through both sides of the flame war they are worth looking at.)
I think the whole New Media and Web 2.0 movement is evolving and will become something very different from what we are looking at now, and I suspect that in the end Podshow, like a lot of these initial network startups, will end up being kind of irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Of course, I may end up eating my words.
Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 @ 20:09 CST
I should have chosen better shows as examples. Not all podshow podcasts redrect. Also, there is incentive is to have people download the shows from the podshow feed, I imagine that might be why all shows redirect. Perhaps I will be asked to redirect my site. As you can see, however, all is normal within the Creepy-verse. Maybe I’ll get screwed - who knows? Perhaps I’ll be eating my words in a year. If so, then consider this an experiment. I guess my point was simply that KATG were not honest in how they presented the contract or Podshow.
Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 @ 22:31 CDT
It’s Chemda.
Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 @ 07:46 CDT
Corrected.